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If BEAF is in Functions category, should this and Hyper-E notations be there too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LittlePeng9 (talkcontribs)

Seems like a good idea. Deedlit11 (talk) 10:01, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

I think the limit growth rate of Cascading-E notation can be far beyond ε0.At the end of this page , Saibian came up with something like E100#^^##100, E100#^^^#100, E100#^^^^#100, E100#^^^^^#100, E100{#,#,#}100 (using BEAF), E100{#,#(1)2}100, E100{#,#(2)2}100, E100{#,#((((0,1)1)1)1)2}100, E100{10^^^100&#}100, E100{10^^^^100&#}100, E100{#&#&#&#&#&#&#&#}100, etc. That makes it as powerful as BEAF.

However, that isn't the actual growth rate of Cascading-E notation because we use BEAF in it. How about the growth rate without using BEAF? Here is some of my ideas.

Ea#^^#b can be written as Ea f(#) b, where f(x)=x^^x=E(x)1#1#2. Further, f(#) can be any recusive function whose "base number" is #, such as f(x)=E(x)1#1#1#1#1#1#2=x^^^^^^x, f(x)=E(x)x##x, f(x)=E(x)x##x#1#2, f(x)=E(x)x##x##x, f(x)=E(x)x###x, f(x)=E(x)x#######x, f(x)=E(x)x#^#x, f(x)=E(x)x#^##x, f(x)=E(x)x#^#^#x, f(x)=E(x)x#^#^#^#^#^#^#^#x, etc.

Then f(x)=E(x)x g(#) x, where g(#) can be any recusive function whose "base number" is #, such as g(x)=E(x)x#x#x#x, g(x)=E(x)x##x, g(x)=E(x)x###x#x, g(x)=E(x)x#^#x, g(x)=E(x)x#^#^#^#^#^#x, and g(x)=E(x)x h(#) x, where h(#) can be any recusive function whose "base number" is #.

I think, Ea f(#) b has comparable growth rate to f(n)&n, or g(n)&n&n, or h(n)&n&n&n. Just imagine this function:

En f1(#) n, where f1(x)=E(x)x f2(#) x, where f2(x)=E(x)x f3(#) x, ... where fm(x)=x^x. The m here is Cascading-E notation nests. It has comparable growth rate to n^n&n&n&n...&n (with m &'s). If m=n, we'll get the actual limit growth rate of Cascading-E notation --- the LVO. {hyp<hyp··cos>cos} (talk) 04:05, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

I believe it's good extension, but we need more formalization on it. Also, it's highly dependent on what you defined increment to f(n). If Ea f(n+1) b = Ea f(n) a f(n+1) b-1, then your idea will be about notation up to \(\Gamma_0\) range (and I already wrote about such extension it in my blog post). If, however, Ea f(n)+1 b = Ea f(n) a f(n)+1 b, then it really can reach LVO. The difference is big, as in the first case we increment the argument of function in order to get "new type" of hyperion-array, and in another way, we increment the result of function. Ikosarakt1 (talk ^ contribs) 10:16, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
The rule is that @a f(#)*# b=@a f(#) a f(#)*# (b-1), where @ represent any sequence in Cascading-E notation. {hyp<hyp··cos>cos} (talk) 15:31, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Extended Cascading-E Notation[]

Ea#^^##b = Ea(#^^#)^(#^^#)...(#^^#)^(#^^#)a (b-1 ^'s)

Ea#^^#^#b = Ea#^^##...##a (b #'s after ^^'s)

Ea#^^#^^#b = Ea#^^#^#...#^# (b-1 ^'s after ^^'s)

Ea#^^^#b = Ea#^^#...#^^#a (b-1 ^^'s)

Ea#^^^##b = Ea(#^^^#)^^^#b

Tethrathoth = E100#^^#100

Tethrathothtethrathothex = E100#^^#100#2

Tetrithrathoth = E100#^^#*#3

Teterthrathoth = E100#^^#*#4

Tetppegathrathoth = E100#^^#*#5

Tetgoldthrathoth = E100#^^#*#100

Tethroothrathoth = E100#^^#*##100

Deutero-tethrathoth = E100#^^#*#^^#100

Hecato-tethrathoth = E100(#^^#)^#100

Todthrathoth = E100(#^^#)^(#^^#)100

Todthrathor = E100(#^^#)^(#^^#)^(#^^#)100

Territhrathoth = E100#^^##100

Treathrathoth = E100#^^###100

Tiganthrathoth = E100#^^#^#4

Torgethrathoth = E100#^^#^#5

Tugolthrathoth = E100#^^#^#100

Tethrathor = E100#^^#^^#100

Penthrathoth = E100#^^^#100

Hexthrathoth = E100#^^^^#100 AarexTiao 01:44, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

LECEN[]

Sbiis Saibian changed the definiton of tethrathoth-ex-terrible tethrathoth to E100#^^#>#(1+E100#^^#>100). So this might be the beginning of LECEN. Wythagoras (talk) 17:32, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, LECEN (Limited Extension Cascading-E Notation) is the notation that goes up to the Great and Terrible Tethrathoth, what Saibian already revealed. The new notation you probably meant is "Extended Cascading-E Notation" (xE^), which will go even farther than that. So hype! -- ☁ I want more clouds! ⛅ 02:22, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
The next next level has been unlocked. -- ☁ I want more clouds! ⛅ 05:58, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
I haven't expected this... Ikosarakt1 (talk ^ contribs) 21:34, January 31, 2014 (UTC)

@Littlepeng9 Yup. E#, xE#, E^, xE^, and ExE all should be "Functions" along with being "Notations". UAN under construction 08:28, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

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